Moderated by circus historian Mirjam Hildbrand, this discussion brings together two very different approaches to writing and reading in artistic creation. For the dramaturge and literary theorist Sabine Reich, the text is at the beginning for the questioning of social conditions. The multidisciplinary artist Claudio Stellato begins with the material itself, with open questions or with a playful desire to experiment. It can be stated with both: Creation processes resemble construction sites: Bodies, texts, materials, ideas, sounds, scenographic elements lie distributed in space and want to be examined, tried out and rearranged. This requires specific tools and skills. How can movements, colors, actions, thoughts and sounds be combined? How (often) does the narration change? Do gestures and objects create alphabets for a new language? In these complex arrangements, dramaturgical ways of writing beyond linear or singular narratives and sensitive timing are needed to shift from the searching or reading to the writing mode.